Selco’s Questions And Guidance For SHTF

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In SHTF, will you have this option?

Question #1, Can you survive for a few days with what you have on your person and with what you know?

Question #2. Do you have survival supplies and resources stashed in a place that cannot be accessed by anyone but you and maybe a trusted friend or family member?

Question #3. If you had to, could you take wild game with the concealed carry gun that you carry every day (you do carry it every day…. right)?

Question #4. What defines your ability to survive? Is it your accumulation of gear and supplies, your accumulated skills and training, or a combination of both?

Question #5. How long can you survive in the city or the woods without interacting with others, and where are you better off?

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When SHTF (whatever that may be), which will you more than likely be dressed like?

Here’s some of Selco’s thoughts,

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I wrote my first survival article-comment some 7 years ago, and I still remember why I wrote it, what “pushed” me to sit down and write it so people who read/discuss survival over the internet for years can read my opinion.

I was checking the survival forums to learn something about wilderness survival because I found I missing lot of knowledge there, and then I stumbled upon discussion about what real SHTF looks like and will look like in the future.

And simply there I realize how whole survival movement foundation is messed up, or built on the wrong perception.

It is like digging through a whole bunch of other people good skills and opinions (together with wrong ones of course) but completely misplaced and misguided.

After writing that first article years ago, I am still writing and trying to point out my view of things, and my way is learned through the experience of 4 years of civil war in a destroyed society.

I still do not know lot of things, I do not know how to operate 20 different weapons, I am not ex special forces member, I do not know how to survive in prolonged period in wilderness, and I am still learning lot of things from different kind of people, on internet and forums and in physical courses too.

But I know how I survived SHTF and how real SHTF looks like, and the real problem is that it definitely does not look like majority of preppers imagine it.

Over time, a lot of my articles are telling the story about same thing on different ways, and it might look like I am telling same story over and over, but again, I am writing from real experience and there are good reasons why I am pointing out the same things often.

So please allow me to address again some common misconception about SHTF.

Changing From “Before to Now”

Starting problem about SHTF misconception is that people have problems to imagine something that they are not experienced in, so if you have not experienced collapse of society you will “build” your opinion about it based on many things: other people experiences, books, movies, documentaries…

When you add to this a whole survival industry of selling things for “doomsday” you going to end up forming your opinion about how life in collapse will look like based on some weird things, and as an result your prepping and expectation may be completely wrong.

For example, you have been bombarded with information from internet that if you buy some product you’ll be not only safe when SHTF but also you’ll thrive and you gonna have something like best time of your life in the middle of collapse.

Now when you multiply this with many numbers (products) you end up buying peace of mind for yourself built on fact that someone wants to earn money from your fears.

And it is not biggest problem, real problem waking up one morning in the collapse realizing that you have whole bunch of things that simply do not work for your situation.

I like to use example that I have read long time ago, about transportation in city when SHTF. One guy offer idea of using skateboard in urban SHTF as transport, and lot of other folks commented that is good idea.

On first look it is great idea, no fuel, no cars or buses, so skateboard as a transport means looks good.

Only problem here is that probably man who mentioned it never experienced real urban SHTF so he can not know how useless idea it is.

Or to put it really short:

When SHTF city services will collapse, street are pretty soon simply full of everything, there are other people in the city too, because services are gone there are not enough resources and because of that other people will simply almost always mean possible danger, so point is to avoid people, or to be quiet when moving, so…

You need to stop to think in terms of normal times, you need change your priorities when SHTF, it is a different time.

For example moving fastest (or most comfortable) stops to be priority, new priority is to move safest (or quiet) or you need to stop to think about having coolest things but new priority is to have things that will work for your situation best.

Value Of The Things

Again it is about thinking in new terms, in the terms when SHTF, and those terms are completely different then in normal times.

I have kind of survival philosophy where my goal is to be ready to survive with as least things as possible, and it is like everything else based on my experienced SHTF.

What that means?

By developing and learning skills and techniques I am trying to be less depended on physical things.

In reality that does not mean that when SHTF I will immediately  bug out to the wilderness with knife only, no, I too have preps and things, stashes and plans, weapons, meds etc.

It means when times come I am READY  to leave all of that, EVERYTHING – all my possessions, and move away in split second if that means I will save my life.

Are you ready for that?

Are you gonna be able to leave all your preps that you were buying for years, all your fancy weapons, stashes of cans etc and run with what you have on you?

Or you gonna die in “blaze of glory” defending simple physical things?

Survival is about resilience, to move on and on, to overcome difficult situations and come back again.

Do not get attached on physical things, no matter how expensive they are, or how fancy they are, or even if people promised that you’ll “survive and thrive” if you own that things when SHTF.

Life is precious, things are just things.

Problem here is that survival movement today is built on the way that preppers are “forced” to believe that they can not survive if the do not own particular survival product, so as an result there is gonna be bunch of preppers get shot because they defending physical things that someone told them they really need to have when SHTF.

I was refugee more then once, I still remember the moment when all my possessions were an old Browning pistol with three rounds, T- shirt, boots (with wet socks inside) and pants that could stand on its own because of how dirty they were…

I have lost all my other physical possessions, everything was torched or taken away, If I stayed my life would be taken away too in a very painful way.

I run, and survived, and fought again for survival.

And you know what? I bought all the things again.

Things can be obtained again, life can not.

Sometimes you just have to move on and forget on physical things that are dear to you.

Faith

One of the topics that I’m most reluctant to discuss about because I find it really personal, but it is there, it is important, so some things need to be considered.

And I’ll be short here, because it is personal for me, and every one of you should think about it for itself.

Yes, there were times when I simply had to reach deep in myself and connect to something higher, to find some sense, to have faith in order to not lost my mind or kill myself because everything was falling apart around me.

So faith is important, or spirituality, or some kind of moral values-call it as you like.

You need to have something!

But problem here is that people often think if they are good folks by the nature, everybody else is good by default (until proven otherwise?).

Through my experience I adopt opinion that everybody is bad until proven different (even if I am good guy)

Or let me put it like this, in really bad times, when everything going to s…t you ll see more bad folks then good folks, so be prepared for that…

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Will you be fortunate enough to have some basic gear, and maybe even a dog who can help with camp security?

Selco mentions his experience of having everything taken from him, and only surviving with what he had on his person (pistol, t-shirt, pants, wet socks, boots). The reason for not having all your eggs in one basket is clearly illustrated here. This is an obvious reason for having a multiple “bucket cache” system in place in a number of areas that will be accessible in a time of need. A smock kit like the one illustrated in this post would also be awesome to have in a pinch.

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While a Kel Tec P3AT .380ACP pistol is a great little lightweight carry pistol, it’s abilities don’t really extend beyond self defense. Not much bigger, but definitely better than the P3AT for small game is the Kel Tec PF-9 9mm on the right.

The reason I asked about your ability with your concealed carry pistol is simple. Although a .32ACP or a .380 is as convenient as it gets in the concealed carry category, accuracy and range are two things they are not known for (the .380 PPK is the exception in my experience in the accuracy department). Except for my Kel Tec .380, I know all the pistols I carry will accurately take small game because I have done just that with them. While having an understanding that what you carry for self defense will take game is good, the primary purpose of your concealed carry pistol is to defend ones self, and the model and caliber you select should be picked primarily for that attribute.

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Great, you’ve got a battery of weapons for SHTF, but what if you can’t get back to them. If you have to take off, one long gun and two handguns is about the limit you’ll be able to carry.

What would be some of the bucket cache items you would want to secret away? Three things I can think of right off the bat would be traps some fishing gear, and a compact survival rifle like an AR-7. Those items along with a few types of fire starters, some freeze dried meals, a stainless steel canteen and cup set for collecting and purifying water, a few first aid supplies, and a good poncho and space/casualty blanket with some 550 cord and your bucket cache would make a huge difference in your survival if you only had the clothes on your back when you recovered it. Below is shown the Henry AR-7 .22LR Survival Rifle in it’s stored form on the left, and ready for use on the right.

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The traps talked about in this post

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Yo-Yo “set and forget” fishing reel

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You can’t just have theoretical knowledge of survival skills and expect to survive in the wilds. You have to get out and practice them.

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There is no excuse to not get out and start learning and practicing some basic survival skills. The hunting and butchering of big and small game is a good place to start.

These are just some thoughts on what Selco had to say. Practice and preparation is what Survivalists do. If you don’t, you definitely can’t call yourself a Survivalist.

JCD

American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE

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16 thoughts on “Selco’s Questions And Guidance For SHTF

  1. Having no experiences like Selco or military, I have had some life experiences that were OK and sought the help needed to round them out. But under stress of a real SHTF, the mind has to stay rational so the training hopefully carry’s one through.

    Selco and J.C. are right; the fantasies promoted by some companies wanting to sell you sruff may end up costing you what you bought them to save if they become idols.

    Good post!

  2. I find it lucky that fishing/hunting/hiking ect. are pursuits I enjoy and give one a chance,I am trying to work on things skill wise I do not know.A good example would be am great with a bow but still suck with firearms(though the safe handling part am comfortable with and always keep in mind),working on it with live and dry fire.

    The thing I see the hardest will be mental,and,do I want to survive in a brave new world.I see in news daily actions that make me just say why bother and then see actions that inspire me and give me faith in humanity to a degree,time will tell.

    I do agree your brain is your best resource if you use it,true in daily life as well as tougher times.

  3. I too have zero experience in the military or LEO service. But I spent a lot of my youth in the outdoors and still continue to hunt and camp as much as I can. Just the act of sleeping outdoors to many nowadays scares people. I mean outside of a camp ground, where fire circles are located with a bar-b-que grill, restrooms and showers over there.

    This lesson was driven home this past month, where a coworker is interested in learning to camp in the woods. He knew of my past experience and I was only too happy to give him my advice on how to do it. He spent the past weekend at a park (primiative hike in) and had a blast – I think its going to take with him.

    Camping out in the woods. Where you have to gather your own firewood, ice coolers are too heavy to lug and you sleep on the ground or in a hammock. No electricity – just sun / sky / stars. We even walk about at night (moonlit conditions because of rattlesnake threat) and discovered a whole new world as well.

    Totally different world from a park camp site. I recommend everyone do this every now and again.

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  6. I learned to hunt and fish as a young boy many years ago and still do both. Same with hiking and camping, building fires and shelter and such. I’m very comfortable with the skill set I have right now in those areas.

    The MAJOR problem I have is that I live on the East coast in the midst of millions of other parasites. In a true SHTF situation as Selco mentions, it’s gonna be really bad, really fast with nowhere to go. I’m amazed at how many folks panic with we have a snow storm or hurricane roll by.

  7. Being able to hunt, fish, camp, etc., may come in handy someday, sometimes, and be a pleasant diversion now.
    But the idea that it’ll work when 100M or more (let alone 2-3 times that many) of your friends and neighbors all try it simultaneously is exactly the fantasy nonsense that Selco has written about for 7 years, as exactly such.

    Anybody outside central Alaska who thinks they’ll do it and pull it off is building fantasy castles in the sky.
    Imagine taking the inhabitants of just the nearest city with you, and tell me how much fish and game you’d be able to render to food, and for how long.
    If you can’t survive unassisted, even by nature, for between six months and two years, beyond the Great Die-Off of society post-SHTF, you won’t be around to harvest game once it makes a rebound, and you’ll be part of that die-off.
    Doubly true east of the Mississippi, where US population densities are twice as high or worse than what they are west of the Big Muddy.
    And if you think you’re going to enforce your boundaries beyond rifle range, solo, when thousands of people come calling, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. If you enforce them at all, you’ll draw additional folks in hordes once they realize you have something worth taking, and they won’t all be happily disarmed.

    In short, if you’re going to survive in the short-term, it’s gong to be as a submarine, not as a battleship.
    Plan accordingly.

    • You’re making some assumptions of my post that show a lack of reading comprehension, or that you just didn’t actually read the complete commentary to begin with. First, I didn’t espouse the “merits” of hoofing off to the wilderness, I mentioned “wilderness survival skills” (one facet of training) in reference to a picture that was taken while practicing those skills. Second, this quote, “Question #5. How long can you survive in the city or the woods without interacting with others, and where are you better off?” was all encompassing, not specific to only surviving in the woodlands, and actually I was hinting that the wilderness route is not the only valid option. I’m glad you have a crystal ball because I don’t. Until I get one, I assume everything is on the table in the “scenario” department. By the way, I haven’t had that many opportunities to train in escape and evasion through a non permissive city of late, so you’ll excuse me if I tell you to shove your pre-crisis “cookie cutter” opinion of my commentary up your ass. Oh, You do know that not only do small and large game and fish live but thrive in many cities, but you can actually find places to hide a bucket cache in those very same cities? Just sayin’…… Ever eaten possum? Also, the “Sub” idea is great, until you need to escape it, then it is a deathtrap.

      • Cool your jets, JC, and kindly take your dose of ass with me off a hair trigger if you please; I wasn’t crapping on your carpet, referencing your commentary on Selco, or making any assumptions about your post, just the comments afterwards. My apologies if you thought otherwise.

        Wilderness skills are always good to have, and will have a (rather small, at first) place, and will likely increase in utility as human population decreases, but they won’t be much use until there are more animals with four legs than with two out in the boondocks. They aren’t, however, going to be central for most people in most places or most likely scenarios, and those who think “heading for the hills” alone is going to work (and I never assumed you for one of them) haven’t factored in hundreds of millions of others trying that too into that calculation; game will collapse, then those people will die off in droves. (And yes, I see possum and other game daily, even here in the wild suburbs of Disneyland, and have eaten it in stew as the benefit of an Ozark ancestry. In a starvation scenario, it would be off the menu for good anywhere hereabouts in about a week. Ditto fish from anywhere, including the Pacific readily accessible to the average person, because eventually, you have to come ashore, and get your catch past both .gov – or whatever remnants of TPTB exist – and millions of hungry people, right? Right. A better plan hereabouts would be quietly raising rabbits and chickens in one’s garage, like people in most towns and cities did during the Depression. As long as availability of water, feed, and lack of rampaging mobs made that plan tenable.)

        If it worked otherwise, we wouldn’t have gone with farming and cities with roads and rails between them; we’d all still live in teepees, and follow the buffalo herds. And the population of N. America would be somewhere around 30-40M, total, from Panama to the Arctic Circle. An acre apiece with a garden, chicken, and pigs will do far better for providing sustenance for a small family than a full section of wild land would, provided one can contend with the brigandry of societal collapse. Thus best to wait on that plan unless you have a robust tribe and a walled village, else plan on simply avoiding detection to most observation until it’s far less a problem, and society can start crawling out of caves and bunkers and re-organizing itself.

        Your greater message to get out and DO all varieties of training, including in the wilds, is the key takeaway from your post and Selco’s thoughts, and being able to take any game possible silently a number of ways (sidearm, traps, auto-reels, etc.) is worthy of a post topic or five all in itself. The point and usefulness of wilderness training now is that the dearth of easy everyday choices it leaves for water, shelter, food, etc. makes people in a wilderness situation THINK in ways citified folk seldom do or have to do, by taking away their easy default options for everyday necessities of life. It’s just a training aid, not a survival template for everyone. Or likely, anyone but a bare few.

        And we can push metaphors too far all day, but if someone isn’t prepared to go silent and deep cover wherever they roost from the outset of any catastrophic SHTF occasion, they’d better have a brigade for back-up, or some mad coping skillz, or they probably won’t be around later on to worry about deathtraps. Every day would be one of those, especially in a region – be it town or country – full of armed, hungry, and ferally immoral people – exactly what Selco describes.

        • OK, I’ll accept that, but that is why you say who it is that you are speaking to, or use the “reply” button under the comment of the individual you are addressing. No harm, no foul. I guess you felt the commentariat at WRSA was thinking the same way as here?

  8. Learned or relearned a lesson from nature today,don’t waste calories!Home I am working on and staying at 12 acres with a lawn big enuff for say volleyball ect.,just enuff to play on.I watched two robins going about their business hopping about/listening for worms/eating ect. when suddenly they decided to have a territory dispute.Watched em chase each other around with a lot of squawking ect.,plenty of land for em both yet they kept this up for 5 minutes to my amusement!That said,they seemed to suddenly decide perhaps worm hunting a better idea and were soon both back at it,wondered how many worms they burned in this silly fight.Times get tough will try and remember this as calories will be at a premium.

    • We could all take a page from your playbook. You are commenting on a website that has as a main theme; taking care of business, getting your house in order and being prepared. Your comment reflects living and appreciating life in the present. Sometimes we need to remember what we are doing this stuff for. One of my favorite movies ‘Operation Petticoat’ (WWII, Cary Grant, Tony Curtis) has a scene where a Lt Crandall RN takes a deep button popping breath on the deck of their now pink submarine and a grizzled old sailor looks over at a younger sailor and says “Hey kid if you ever wonder what you’re fighting for..there it is” (giving a head nod to Lt.Crandall).

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