A friend and I were talking the other night, and during the conversation, I mentioned that I’ve usually only met two types of people in the moolisha. The first is the guy who wants to hear or read something that makes him think he has a chance. The second is the guy who wants to hear or read something that gives him “The excuse”.
The first guy generally falls in the category of “late 30’s to 60’s”, was never in the military (we’ll detail that in a bit), and has only recently had the “epiphany” of “Holy cow, we are in dangerous times! What can I do to survive?” (Most that I know that take my classes are in this category). Due to their lack of military training, these guys are “jonesing” for word that what they have done (or can do) to prepare will give them the edge in surviving what’s coming. As I have said plenty of times, there are plenty of examples of people who survived not what was probable, but only what was possible. You are not a commando, but you don’t have to be to survive what’s coming.
On the first point (never been in the military), all I can say is that if you are between 18 and 30, and you want to play in the moolisha, but have never even tried to get into something like the National Guard, you are a “wanna be”, and really don’t give two shits about “serving” your community (isn’t that supposed to be the point of the true militia?). You either know you don’t have the guts that it takes to actually perform true military service, or you are lazy and want something (the moolisha) that you can “opt out” of whenever you feel like it. You are very aware that the military is not an “opt out” entity, and you are all about convenience, right?
By the way, I am not talking about people that want to live a Survivalist lifestyle. Survivalists are not posing as a quasi military (they do SUT and weapons training because it is a reality that is needed in a fight), and trying to impress people with their multicam’s, superduper “operator cut” helmets, and “M4gery” with $15 optic attached in a selfie on facebook. Although there are Survivalists in the moolisha, being in the moolisha does not mean you’re a Survivalist.
After meeting a number of the “wanna be” types, I have nothing but contempt for the majority that are part of the group (18-30ish) I spoke about above (not the older guys, or guys who served in the mil). This is because they are not concerned about helping their community in a crisis. They are lazy, poseurs who are more concerned about convenience and how their most recent selfie looks on facebook. To be clear, if you are in the category I mentioned above (18-30sh), and you are part of the moolisha without ever serving in something like the National Guard (a medical denial for entry is an exception), you are a lazy, delusional, convenience oriented, wanna be.
Think that’s harsh? “Harsh” is making plans to fight next to a guy who (when given the opportunity) is not willing to do whatever he has to do to make himself the best fighter possible, and you find out during the fight that he doesn’t have the guts, stamina, or drive to stick around when it gets bad. “Harsh”, is having a “Battle Buddy” who is more concerned about having a $3,000 GucciAR, but never wanted to pay to get training with it “cuz trainin’s ‘spensive.”. “Harsh” is finding out during the fight, that the guy next to you in the foxhole can’t carry his ass, let alone yours if you get hurt, simply because he thought “PT” was an acronym for a Dairy Queen entree.
If the opportunity to serve the State or Community in something like the National Guard was not acted on when they had the chance, how can the person say they want to be part of the militia? Even though the militia has no authority beyond self protection, it is still supposed to be part of the State or Community defensive strategy (according to moolisha “leadership”), right? True service to your community is not about convenience, it is about sacrifice (and please don’t tell me how much “time” you put into your “unit”, via facebook page posts, a website, or your meeting at the local beer mart).
The fact that you are on FB or have an internet page for your moolisha, means you are not serious about being a true militia, you are a operational ignoramus, or both. A militia is paramilitary in nature, and OpSec is one of the fundamental principles governing the actions of any type of military unit and its personnel. There is no OpSec if your “unit” is on the internet. The internet stuff is basically a “Look at me/us” page, nothing more.
As I said earlier, the older guys in category 1 simply want to hear or read something that gives them hope of survival, but then there’s the guys in category 2. You know who they are. They’re the ones who are just looking for an excuse to “get their ‘gun’ on!”. These are the guys who are dangerous to the group. They are the ones who say things on facebook like “If antifa kills a pro-Trump protester, it’s on!” (Having this as a personal conversation f2f is one thing, doing it on FB is BS bravado and just stupid.). These are the guys that are very similar to the provocateurs that the Feds plant in militia/patriot groups who will push people to commit crimes or they will just talk about doing it themselves. They are either talking crap (the majority) or they are an emotional train wreck looking for an excuse to live the fantasy in their shemagh covered head.
You know the ones I’m talking about. The ones in some of the blog or forum commentariat who run their mouth/keyboard spewing death and mayhem to all who oppose their idea of right and wrong, and then talk crap to those who disagree (and would never have the guts to do it in person). We know most are full of crap, but if you are in a group that has these types, can you really afford to take the chance that this emotional (read that as effeminate) asshole won’t write checks your group can’t cash (with the Feds or whoever)? He’s a braggart, and even your group info is at risk because he is trying to impress people however he can.
We have to be smarter than the emotional idiots who can’t keep their mouth/keyboard thoughts to themselves. We have to be smarter than the guys who put all their personal and group info on social media and the internet, just to get a “You’re bad ass Boss.” or “Man, you guys look like SpecOps.” from the ignorant or like minded buffoons. We have to be smarter than the emotional idiots who run straight into a possible ambush like bundy ranch or Malheur, without so much as a pre-op gear and weapons check (yes, it happened), or a non emotional, real world assessment of the situation before hand.
Go home and stay home. Train with those in your area (within walking distance, and if I have to explain the “why” of that statement, you should probably stop reading this and get a comic book instead) to defend it. When things go truly critical, Billy Bob of the Gee Wiz County Irregulars seven counties or a state away are not going to help you. The only training you should be doing with groups outside of your 25 mile area (and that’s being generous) is commo and “escape and evasion” (make multiple routes for vehicle and foot exfil and actually do it to a safe house outside of your area).
Does someone in Billy Bob’s group have the ability to give your group training in a certain area that you do not have available “in house”? OK, then that guy, and only that guy comes to you to train your group. This is not a “Tactical Love Fest” where your groups get together to “Attaboy”, “train” on SUT (the last time I heard of this type of event happening, it sounded like it was a “multicam knitting circle” with no substance taken home by the inexperienced that needed it the most) and look at your new toys. That’s how you give away valuable intel to “The Powers That Be”. Oh, but President Trump won, so TPTB are on our side now.”. If you believe that the pendulum isn’t about to be knocked out of the Grandaddy Clock, considering what’s been going on, you need to get a “Perception Lobotomy” and take some “Reality Ritalin”! Your attention span on important matters is apparently that of a retarded goldfish.
If you are realistic, you realize you can’t do anything for your community, until you are squared away personally. That means the logistics, training, and ability (example- PT) to take care of your family first. After that you can be concerned for your group and community, but if you are ignoring the “gorilla in the room” (your lack of personal preparedness), and only concentrating on your moolisha, Survivalist group, or NPT (this is usually an “I just care so much for the group, I don’t concentrate on myself” cop out), you are in need of entirely too much attention from others, and should perform an emergency reality check of what your responsibilities are, and the prioritized order that they should be placed in.
Don’t like it? I DON’T CARE! A number of us have tried to give people advice on how to go about preparing for the inevitable. A percentage of those people have taken it, but a larger percentage gave lip service to the advice, then went right back to the “Tacti-rut” they’ve been in forever, due to their need for attention. This need for attention overrides advice like “Get off the Damned internet with your group stuff!”, simply because that advice is counter productive to the “Tacticool, Operator” paradigm that they want to espouse and give the impression of living.
Eventually if you survive, the saying will be “We’re all Selco now.”. I pray to God I’m wrong about our future, and I will happily admit it if that is the case down the road, but what if I’m right? Can you afford for me to be right? Will you have a snowball’s chance in Hell of surviving if I am right? Only you know your preps, your motivations, and your intentions. Be the civilian version of the military’s “quiet professionals”. Not necessarily in skill set proficiency, but in a desire to learn all you can, prepare all you can, and be a force for good in a world that is about to go perpetually non-permissive.
American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE,
JCD
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The moolisha groups have made progress…
They went from being woodland camo knitting circles, to desert camo knitting circles. Then after the 10,000th time of someone pointing out to them that desert camo is only good in a very small part of the U.S. – they went back to woodland camo.
Now they have advanced to multicam knitting circles.
But…
It’s still the same morons in many cases or it’s the new and unimproved version of said morons running the show.
They’re all officers except the two or 3 new guys.
There’s some yahoos in Ohio who have bumper stickers advertising their moolisha, saw that a couple weeks ago. Maybe it’s how they plan on identifying members cars?
Morons.
You know my opinion on most moolisha groups- as squared away as a soup sammich.
Then there’s their “training” which will only get people killed.
Speaking of M-forgeries with 15 dollar optics- one of the guys I hunt with picked up a S&W M&P 15 sport A-R at a really good price. He was at one of the properties we hunt on a couple weeks ago when I was there to check on the place.
Anyhow it had an optic on it- made to look like an Eotech, that he thought was a good optic because it cost $150.00
He was getting anywhere from one to three rounds off before the sight shut itself off.
Some people just don’t get it that a good scope can cost more than the rifle.
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I was told sweat and work were not part of this process, it’s supposed to be shooting and a few beers. Right? I’d argue the only notable exception to Group 1 (doesn’t mean the rule is wrong) would be people who had ideological problems with our foreign meddling. Probably not many, but there are people out there who didn’t want a part of that. Maybe you included them in the suvivalist category, I don’t know. I’m not sure why anyone at this point would be doing the overt tactical thing, even assuming you have the capability to do so. It’s like no one ever heard of khaki pants and hiking boots before, or read any of the last 3-4 years of Wikileaks releases. The cammies are so tainted at this point they create more issues than they will ever solve. The frustration is palpable in your writing, I get it though. Keep banging away, buddy.
The problem with the whole “meddling” thing is that the moolisha guys talk shit about being authorized by the constitution, but point in fact is that if they were (they are not), they are subject to the authority of the governor, and ultimately, the President. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Yeah,
I don’t have much of a desire to kiss my girlfriend goodbye and jet off to one of many shitholes to fight bankers’ wars, and I don’t consider myself a pussy.
Like I said, “It requires Sacrifice, Commitment, and it’s very Inconvenient”. Good thing those who served in the mil through out the ages didn’t feel that way huh? You probably don’t have the desire to kiss your girlfriend goodbye and go off to months of training either. Thanks for making my point. You’ll be a “Kernal” in no time. You don’t consider yourself a pussy? It’s not about what you think about yourself in that area, it’s what others think about you.
LOL. I’m not sure we wouldn’t be a fuck of a lot better off without a ‘mil through the ages’ and a series of institutions that are effectively selling our children’s future away. As to the sacrifice and commitment- If a tree falls in the forest, and the government isn’t around to hear it, does it make a sound?
“a series of institutions that are effectively selling our children’s future away.” Ironically, one of the only ways available for a kid to graduate from college debt free is going in the military, whether NG (the better option) or active duty. Although they earn it, they are definitely better off than the kids who graduate with a heap of debt right off the bat.
Yes it does make a sound. Honestly, most people that I know that served in the mil have a better grasp of the BS line the gov feeds the public, and are less trusting because of their insight.
Now that was well put, MDT. Good work.
Thanks
K_d_l,
Are you employed? Paying interest and social security tax? Your very existence is serving a banker in some way right now.
Have you bothered to look into your home state’s State Defense Force which is recognized by law under 32 U.S.C. § 109 and only under the command of your governor? It’s not deployable overseas and has lower standards for entrance and retention than the National Guard or [Federal Armed Forces Branch] Reserve. You don’t have to kiss your girlfriend good bye and fight headcutting jihadis overseas with the big boys (who had to kiss our wives and children goodbye and do it again and again and again, yeah, that sacrifice part most banker serving merikans have no clue about).
Now you have no more excuses about serving in even an itsy bitsy meager way in your community.
I wish all the states had SDF’s. It reinforces one of the main points of the 1903 Dick Act, which was getting everyone on the same page with organization and logistics.
So, because I have taxes garnished from my income I am a slave, therefore I should join the enforcement arm of the international banks and do my part? Please tell me you’re trolling.
You think fighting around the Euphrates River is going to help your community? More power to you, man. The only reason to join the mil right now is to learn, imho. And how about that- you can learn pretty much anything that the military will teach you outside of the military (everything that would likely apply to me and my side of the mountain, anyway).
That you could somehow spite ‘banker serving ‘mericans’ while you put global interests ahead of your family is sad to me. Sorry, man. But if it’s one thing the masters are good at its washing brains.
“And how about that- you can learn pretty much anything that the military will teach you outside of the military.” How would you know. There are intangibles that nothing but the military will teach you.
I once wrote an unpopular piece about people minding their place.
The statement “…you can learn pretty much anything that the military will teach you outside of the military…” is nothing less than insolent hubris.
Read all the manuals you want. First contact with OPFOR you and those with you will simply wilt.
Many like you accuse your betters of not helping you. But it is inconceivable to people like you that the first step in being helped is your being docile.
There is no teaching the insolent. Only, “we told you so.”
S//
I couldn’t get in due to medical issues but if I did I would have had a hard time given how PC it is and yes – ideological reasons.
I hate when I am talked down to and looked down upon because I didn’t “serve”, however I have other skills that would lend to keep those who did alive during troubling times, and I can handle a rifle – very, very well.
This is getting old. The reading comprehension of a number here is lacking. How would you know about the PC issues you’d have to deal with if you weren’t there? Read about ’em, right? Great, you can shoot, and like to tell people about it. Good for you Stewie.
I remember squirrel hunting with an ole country boy when I was about 20.
I had the newest target .22 with a high dollar scope on it, Moshbern had an old pump .22 with a penny under the ramp rear.
He said “hit those reeds over there in the pond.”
I zoomed up fired a few times and missed, Mosher snapped off about 5 rounds clipping the reeds I had missed with my state of the art rig.
There is a lesson here.
(No, I don’t shoot water.)
Needed to be said…well done.
>If the opportunity to serve the State or Community in something like the National Guard was not acted on when they had the chance, how can the person say they want to be part of the militia?
Probably rare, but there are people who think doing so is serving their enemies, the commies in the state dept for instance. The under 30s had more opportunity to see they were being lied to then most.
You’re saying rarely, they might want to be in the militia, but aren’t willing to serve “Their enemies” in the NG? What a crock of bovine excrement! The military, whether Active or Guard requires sacrifice, commitment, and is not convenient. The under 30’s didn’t see anymore than the rest of us did over the last half century. What they did see was that even by going in the NG, there was a good chance they’d see combat. Conveniently, the moolisha is a lot safer in that regard.
Yes – it does.
But sacrifice and commitment – for what? That is the question.
Which war since WW2 did this country REALLY need to be in?
All those wars that were fought – are what got us to this point where we are having this conversation in the first place. The country didn’t go to shit by being at peace for the last 75 years.
“But sacrifice and commitment – for what?” If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand the answer.
You’re not answering the question. Germans had sacrifice and commitment during the WW2 era. What did it get them? They have destroyed their country thru their “sacrifice and commitment”. The true effects of that destruction is becoming more and more apparent with each passing day as their country is invaded in a manner that would not have been tolerated all those decades ago. They would have been a lot better off if they had LESS “sacrifice and commitment” and told their rulers to go screw. Instead they turned out for country and honor and reaped the whirlwind for it.
If you’re going to use the argument that I have heard so many times before that all that serving was to defend the country – I’m going to ask where that country is any more. Look around you – I read your column relatively often since you’re linked off of Western Rifle Shooters – and you’re both dealing with trying to convince people the shitstorm is coming and they had better be prepared….
We didn’t get to this point by some magic – we got here because the Republic as it once stood – was dismantled piece by piece. And it was done for a reason – which was the aggregation of power to the top. The “Militia of the several states” – was intended to be an integral component of defending both the nation and the culture – and the government , but also as a counterpoint to that government if it ever got out of control. The Founders made numerous references to not wanting a standing army (I.E. a GOVERNMENT RUN army), yet all I seem to hear these days is defense of the military as some holy ground that can’t be questioned.
Even Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex.
Edwin Viera addresses the differences between the original militia and a standing army here:
Go to 5:20 :
” Then we go to 1903 which was the beginning of the National Guard structure which was setup really as an attempt to supplant the militia because it had been determined that at the turn of that century – turn of the 20th century – that as a legal matter that the militia could NOT BE CALLED UP TO FIGHT IN FOREIGN WARS. The Constitution only allows them to be called up to be called up to execute the laws of the Union , suppress insurrection and repel invasion and foreign wars don’t all into any one of those three categories
So we’ve now fallen so far down the rabbit hole that people have apparently completely forgotten the origins of the government and military structure that was setup by the founders of this country – and they actually DEFEND the governmental military structure that is going to be used to come after them – while they go off and ruck march and run training courses to teach people how to defend themselves against that very same military.
Obviously, your understanding of things like the military, the military industrial complex (different things), and the 1903 Dick Act was gleaned from an Alex Jones episode (Oh wait, that’s right, now that Trump’s in charge, he likes the mil and LEO’s). Speaking of “rabbit holes”, going down the one of “If only” is an exercise in futility. these thing happened before we had a say in it, correct? If you think the military and vets who promote service are the enemy, by all means join a militia that plans on fighting them. You really have no clue who the bad guys are, do you? I teach people to fight bad guys, no matter what title they use or entity they work for.
Rarely because most guys don’t think shit through and will rationalize it. I did too but I’m over that age. Despite growing up caring more about the constitution than the government and knowing people like us were hated in the cities that control the country, I believed the post-9/11 narrative. For the younger guys, they had the opportunity to realize they were lied to about the reasons for Iraq at the very least, and who in their right mind would join to fight for Obongo and his masters?
Official militia stuff is shit, but in what way is even NG serving your community or people or anything good in the last decade?
“but in what way is even NG serving your community or people or anything good in the last decade?” If you are unaware of the different missions they are responsible for within your state, I suggest you check it out.
Only other thing I know of here are emergencies and disasters, and people already volunteer in those cases. NG hasn’t done anything that couldn’t be done by other means. Extremely hypothetical, but If air guard pilots ferried relief supplies to their own people after wildfires 1% of the time, and attacked an Assad 99%, who are they really serving? One doesn’t change the other.
Of course you’re right…..good luck with calling on the militia to rescue you.
>Of course you’re right…..good luck with calling on the militia to rescue you.
‘Don’t agree with the government…. have fun with no roads.’ Same non-argument.
I wouldn’t think there’d be no roads without government, but if they were well kept, they’d be “toll roads” like the old days..
Good. Glad somebody brought this up before I had to. I don’t think it’s as rare as you think, but it’s certainly a lot rarer than the people who simply thought serving the country by being it’s armed forces was somebody else’s problem.
Every time someone gets elitist towards non-veterans, I can’t help but think of Major John Pitcairn of His Majesty’s Royal Marines. “If I draw my sword but half from my scabbard, the whole banditti of Massachusetts will run away.”
Pitcairn happened to live through April 19th, to die shortly after at Bunker Hill. But he was beaten by General Heath of the colonial militia. A portly man that had no formal military training.
Elitist? There’s no elitism here, just a dose of reality for those that want to act like they are in it for reasons they are obviously not. General Heath? This General Heath? ” In November he was placed in command of forces in the Hudson River Highlands. In January 1777, Washington instructed Heath to attack Fort Independence in New York in support of Washington’s actions at Trenton and Princeton, but Heath’s attack was botched and his troops were routed. He was censured by Washington and thereafter was never given command of troops in combat”. Heath wasn’t the only leader at Bunker Hill, and he had been active in the militia since 1760 (when they actually trained correctly). BTW, BH was a tactical victory for the Brits, and how many leaders did we loose there? Two that I’m aware of for sure.
Excellent post. I also like to think of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest. He was a merchant with no military experience. He earned the grudging respect of the most important critics of all: his enemies.
We need to focus on making allies just my respectful opinion. There’s enough negativity already.
(Never served, not in a militia, not a survivalist.) To Katzkiner’s point above, I shot my first deer with a rifle borrowed from a guy I’m quite sure you would pass over for any service, a pot bellied country boy. He and his buddy used to do crop control stopping the deer from destroying farm crops with a permit mind you. One day they had an eye shooting contest. He dropped seven in four hours, not one missed shot. Fairly certain he never served either. Wouldn’t mind having him around. Just my RESPECTFUL opinion.
“We need to focus on making allies just my respectful opinion. There’s enough negativity already.” I completely agree, but is honest negativity wrong. Combat is serious, what is coming at us like a steam roller is serious. There’s a time to sugar coat, and there’s a time to be deadly honest. This isn’t a game on XBox where you get 5 lives (some treat it that way because they don’t have realistic perspective). Making that 1 “go around” matter is of the greatest importance.
“I’m quite sure you would pass over for any service, a pot bellied country boy.” I’m not “passin’ over”, or “appointing” anyone. Everyone can make a contribution and do there part, but what does shooting deer in the eye have to do with military service? Shooting an animal is very different from fighting other human beings.Being a decent shot is only one facet of many skills needed by the grunt. That part of this post is about guys who want to give an impression that is not true, not a Damning of those who didn’t or can’t serve in the military.
I do understand where you are coming from on this. Appreciate the reply.
The .mil has been abused badly by this nation and it’s people IMO. WE the people should have stopped the political & mil hacks from doing what’s been done to the troops. It’s a crime, plain and simple. My personal theory is that the high suicide rates for vets is direct result of the cognitive dissonance of making Enormous sacrifices and then realizing just how pathetic this country they fought so hard for has become. Hell half or more of DC has committed treason.
All the best to you in the coming times. May you and yours be safe in His arms.
I believe that assessment is correct for some of them. I just lost another Service Buddy to suicide a few months ago. Thanks for the kind response.
I have applied the following to my ‘food chain’ of responsibility more than once —
God -> Self -> Family -> Locale -> State -> Country
— As a result caught royal hell online and off for it. Refreshing to see a parallel view.
Amen. Absolutely the only way to really live. I think the root of JC’s beef is all the damn liars. We all are who we are (not were, unless lying to ourselves). And, what is coming will come. The top priority (God) cannot be fooled, the rest can.
Choose.
Amen
That chain of responsibility you detailed so clearly is exactly why the militia as ORIGINALLY instituted in this country was so important – and why the MILITARY as it is currently is such a problem.
In a country defended by militia – their loyalties are down around the Family -> Locale layer. With the current military as it is – their responsibility is up at the Country layer. Which is a problem for every single layer below it.
Your simple and clear example is exactly why many of us have such a problem with the people who constantly chest beat for the FedGov military and piss on the militia.
They seem to have lost their playbook if they think they’re ever going to have a restoration in this country and not just end up with some different form of tyranny after this one goes tits up.
My issue isn’t with what was originally intended, or even what we’re dealing with now whether it was intended or not. We have to deal with the here and now, correct? My issue with a number of those in militias is that by their actions (or lack thereof), they have shown they are more concerned with how they are perceived as bad asses, but never actually tried to do the real thing.
I read a while back that even the MS13 type gangs were sending their young off to the .mil for the training so they can come back to train and inform the group on how .mil does it.
Even the Islamic extremists are indoctrinating their very young on such matters… If the articles were not fake news.
Goes to your point of youngins going into the service.
“…looking for an excuse to live the fantasy in their shemagh covered head”, I about sprayed my drink out, that is spot on and hilarious! It sort of reminds me of how a lot of insecure guys try to act overly tough, truly strong men that can handle themselves can afford to be polite because they have nothing to prove. The same goes for guys that have been in the military and been to war, I’m over trying to look as “tactical” as possible, I want to be comfortable and I want to run quality gear that works for its intended purpose. Oh and side note, if you offer me a cot I’m taking it because I’m getting older and I know I know how to sleep in the dirt and be uncomfortable if I have to, lol.
Exactly
I’m glad you made the distinction between militia types and survivalist. Now if some in the Liberty movement would quit lumping us survivalists as support for them…
Pretty bitter and painted with a broad brush of pessimism. IMHO. Moreover, as I’m over 45, but not by much, have no FB or social media accounts, did not serve in the military, mind my own business, and train and get training to the best of my ability, the OP never touched those of my age and like minded that I agree, the younger minds mostly don’t “get it”.
Perhaps I read it wrong. However, just because folks served, of which I thank you, those of us that didn’t aren’t to be blanketed with belittlement.
Speaking for myself only.
If there is a opportunity to learn from you I would. But if I read it wrong and am being diminished, than we’ll go from there in our own way.
God Bless.
I have no problem with guys who didn’t serve. It’s the ones who purport they are something they are not, and didn’t take the opportunity to do the real thing when it presented itself that bother me. I have trained plenty of people who didn’t serve, and they will tell you I don’t give two shits about that. The only reason I ask them if they did was to know where I need to start from in their training, relative to their background.
Thank you for the clarification. I respect and have been following you through WRSA for a while and am grateful to pick up on what you share.
If you ever make a southern/central/ northern Florida program; I’d love to be there.
Thank you again.
Eventually, I might make it down there to do a class. A good friend is in Jacksonville, so it could happen.
I would love to sign up for one of you classes down this way. I could probably bring a couple people, too. Just sayin!
Looks like you’ve got a pretty awesome thing going up there!
I’ll look into the feasibility of that and post it on the blog if I’m gonna do it.
Yes, you do need to come down this way. 😉
As we spoke about when I was there in October, I’d love too, but the logistics and time management is the issue. We’ll see what we can come up with.
Yeah, I know. Still have to bug you about it. We’ll work it out eventually.
I highly recommend checking out Asymmetric Solutions if you are looking to train. It’s in Perry. Long drive for me, but well worth it.
Tom, if I may ask, what part of FL are you in? Shoot me a message on my page if you’d prefer. https://alphacharlieconcepts.wordpress.com
Facing what may be trying times can we afford not to employ every warm body we can ? I have no military experience . None ! Zilch ! But . I can still shoot the Coke can at 600 yards even though the old eyes are a bit dimmer . Good old Russian arms and scopes . I practice with my Desert Eagle with the same target at a hundred yards and manage 6 out of 9 quick ones . The damn thing is like a rifle ! My knees are shot thanks to my love of flying . On a motorcycle mostly although I do have a 60 mph Ultralite with fiberglass axles for rough terrain landing . Full set up for bugging out or scoping out the opposition . If in charge of a mess or armory I insist on having the Samson Option just in case I am about to lose . I do not plan on losing but if I must I am taking a serious attitude when I go . Remember the Alamo ! And Waco ! And Ruby Ridge ! No Samson Option . In my opinion the lovers of liberty would do well to remember the Samson Option . A few hundred Gubmint folk get the Samson a few times and the rest may start to consider what they have started to chew on . Just sayin’ . Consider old Samson . Go with your boots on !
Hey what about us vets that were not ditch diggers? This deck ape was a swimmer and small craft operator. Not a trigger guy. Am playing catchup.
I’ll say this one more time. I don’t have a problem with non mil types or non Infantry types. My problem is with those who perpetrate that they are something they are not, even when they had the opportunity to be exactly that. Your mil background gives you a bit of a leg up on the non mil guys. You know discipline, you know important basic skills, and you know how organization works.
Author should not discourage the future victims of the next set of Wacos and Ruby Ridges.
There’s lots of propaganda there, and they also provide the haystack for the few genuine needles.
Maybe you should preface the article with “if you haven’t gotten your heart rate past 100 bpm in the last week then you need to buy some more gear and stir up some more trouble on the internet. You don’t need to read what’s below. Your contributions are already valued enough.”
Good point. I call them them “Target Interdictees”
Thumbs up.
Truth is, nothing rattles the cages of the lazy quite like telling them (in certain or uncertain terms) that’s you’ve already counted theme as a lost but would sure like them to soak up as many bullets as possible before they die, if that’s OK with them.
Fat militia. Homestead preppers with no bugout bags and exfil plans if things go south.
Speedbumps each and all.
Although none of what JC wrote is applicable to me on any way, it’s the attitude that turns me off.
Your attitude, JC, is why people don’t like cops. Condescending and elitist as someone said above. You say you aren’t, but you are. Essentially it is this attitude: ‘Only me an mine are worth anything. I’ll tolerate those whom I feel to excuse.’
Several of those who have pointed out the incongruity of your military service ‘requirement’ of a certain age bracket have allowed you to show your boot licking mindset. If you can’t see how the military industrial complex has raped and pillaged the youth of this country by spilling their blood all over this planet unnecessarily and not thoroughly disown it, I want nothing to do with your website or your expertise.
“Fine, FU anonymous poster. Don’t need you, piss off.” I already know what your response was before you read that sentence.
Why do I know that’s how you’ll respond? Because you and people like you with an LE/flag waving mentality have no respect for anyone outside your circle. You say you do but you do not. Unfortunately you do not possess the emotional intelligence to recognize it.
You could be making friends and instead your fishing for web traffic, selfishly beating a worn drum. This isn’t your first diatribe on the subject. It really is disappointing given your stature within the 4GW leadership circles.
You remind me of the punk who’s saloon was taken over by Wyatt Earp in the movie Tombstone. Yapping at and belittling those who could have been his friends and supporters.
You are not a leader. You may know a lot of things, but what you wrote is not leadership.
And leadership, JC, is what the people who would come to your site need.
Fine, FU Regular Guy. Happy? I was going to itemize a response to your diatribe, but realized that it would fall upon the ears of someone whose reading comprehension is lacking objectivity.
I can not disagree with a single thing in this post. What are these types good for? Cannon fodder? I’ve been interested in joining or starting a militia group for a while but I work so hard at avoiding the yahoos, my “militia unit” still consists of only me. For what it’s worth, I left the Army two years ago and this post has put it into my head to talk to a reserve or NG recruiter.
Although I am not push for prior service guys to go in the Guard, I also know that they can use good, experienced men.
Umm,
I saw the patch on your jacket. Alpha Company, 1st Battalion? Is there more than one company within this battalion, and is there more than one battalion?
That patch is for my MDT OpFor group, and it is also the patch students who take the MDT tactical classes receive.
Oh my. The militia thing again.
I’ve often wondered at the absurdity of people who want to play at soldier but never bothered to actually be one. Perhaps, as Dodge points out, that would be too real.
Here is a reality check. Let’s round up all the militia folks — just the way they are (that’s the important part), “training” and all — and ship them over to Afghanistan to fight the “Hajis.”
S//
As you said…..TOO REAL!
For some reason (to keep a lid on too much back and forth, I guess) I can’t reply to your comment to me, so I hope I can do so here.
To some extent I can completely appreciate where you guys are coming from. I do, really. And I thank you for your input. My question (to you and the author), and my inability to completely understand your position probably boils down to this- if you were down in Columbia, or Haiti, or Syria, or whatever, and youre training and arming folks to fight for their freedom (or to support ‘western interests’ and all), do you tell them that they will wilt under combat? Do you expect them to and do they? How is what you do there any different from what places like blackwater or asymmetric solutions or any of the other serious training facilities are doing? Or any of the other SF guys training the people that are trying to learn?
On a side note, you guys have got me thinking about the guard. I handle some logistics stuff at work but maybe seeing a big organization like that would be good for practice and networking. Cheers.
“Do you tell them that they will wilt under combat?”. Nope, and the reason is they are there (showed up) and are serious. They aren’t playing, they are getting ready for the real thing right after their training is concluded, and have probably already seen some shit before they stepped up. The problem here is that if someone is serious, they don’t play around or concern themselves with how people perceive them (on FB or other social media). When you take it seriously, you will find the best people to guide you in your quest for knowledge, and follow their experienced guidence too the letter. Why do I know this? Becaise it was me 28 years ago when I arrived at my first unit. There were some E-7 and E-8’s who put me on the right path, and I followed their instruction to the letter. The guidence we’ve given is no different (more or less) than what we received as young soldiers. The difference between us and the typical moolisha member is we were serious, and we didn’t whine and cry about “the mean sergeant” (you guys think we are harsh…….?). As to the training you can get from Blackwater and the like, have you looked at the prerequisites? The intangible benefits of the mil I spoke of earlier are not gained from any short term training course. Besides, if you have time to do something like Blackwater courses, why would you play in a moolisha?
“…do you tell them that they will wilt under combat? Do you expect them to and do they?”
No. They are not told. Yes. We expect them to. Yes. They do.
Only about one in four “carry” any firefight. The rest are bodies. The Walter Mitty types usually end up being just bodies.
S//
There was a recent preppers convention down our way and I wasn’t able to attend. However, a friend and his wife went and met a “3%” local group that was organized in the general area. He spoke with them about their group and long story short, asked if he’d like to be a part of their organization since there was none in his AO. Well, they immediately offered him the rank of Sgt, so he could help expand the group. I listened intently to all he spoke about these guys being former/active LE and mil and how they all seemed like pretty cool guys….
I figure they probably are, but assigning a “rank” right off the bat as an enticement to join tells me all I need to avoid them at all costs…besides, my understanding of being part of the 3% was an individual choice, rather than a title name for some militia group. Mike V. would be pissed how the 3% definition has been stolen to represent other than its true meaning.
Yup, that is a perfect example of some of the BS in today’s moolishas. Over the years I have told a number of people in militias that if they wanted to give an air of legitimacy to their group, don’t use “rank”, use “duty position”. If you are a squad leader, you have to have an actual squad under you, so forth and so on.
Nailed it as always. Which is why you are of my favorite bloggers.
For those pondering the truly difficult to come be very selective of which who in whoville you go to and associate with both for advice and backup.
Take great care in your decisions going forward and that which you share. Remember this as well: few things are more dangerous than information on you. Apply this thought to family as well as a bitter relative that rolls you may have some tidbits that will really drive the nails home.
Thanks
This is why as a country we are screwed,even among freedom loving folks/the leave me the F#$K alone crowd like me/ect. We seem to much of the time work on not what we have in common including goals but what divides us on many sites and while worthwhile seems too much time spent on this.I find myself agreeing/disagreeing with all posts and some of the original article.That said,I will take what I can use from all the writings/thoughts and think them through with the few folks I work with in thinking about/preparing for the future,take what you get here and other sources and use or pass on it after thinking about it.
Some folks have mentioned JD’s writings not leadership in which I disagree in that it gets folks thinking,even if you disagree with the whole article.I come here not for a leader but to read and think about things/hash it over in my mind/perhaps with others(I also for occasional laughs here).I am not looking for a leader but always listening to people who get me to think,and that I believe is a form of leadership.Like all things in life,use what you can/give what you can and best of luck to all of us no matter what the future holds.
The problem I see with most of the negative commenters here is their reading comprehension is subjectively skewed because something that was said applied to them, and they can’t be objective enough to realize it and figure out how they might fix it. They placate their “Inner pussy” by attacking things like “Attitude”, and accusing the writer of being an “Elitist”. They say I’m attacking those that didn’t serve, but my previous actions have already proven that premise to be BS. My opinions are based on my actual experiences, not something I’ve heard. Thanks for the feedback.
A perfect example is Facebook…there you will find the “headline headhunters”, for without that headline, they have nothing to talk about because it requires actual effort to read and comprehension to absorb it. They just automatically know what the articles all about. They also bypass the comments for if they didn’t, they might find answers to the questions they may have.
As for me, I haven’t served so I look to author and commenter to get a better grasp of the topic. It also stimulates further research and supplies the trust but verify initiative which is ultimately my responsibility.
Say what you will. You speak from experience and training. As an old, semi-invalid 11B20, I can appreciate your perspective. My problem with any “militia” or other similar group is they are very easily infiltrated and compromised. I dealt with a lot of self-serving snitches in my 30+ years as a Peace Officer. And, we all have seen how thoroughly Mr. Finicum’s group was infected with federal vermin.
My personal answer is to train and gather intell pretty much on my own. As I have posted before on WRSA, I am pretty much surrounded by clueless idiot sheeple up here in Rawles Land. My small tribe just watches, waits, plans, and trains among ourselves. I believe a better solution would be Committees Of Correspondence” similar to the run-up of the festivities of 1775. Individual closed cells, communicating by snail mail and other low-tech means seem to be an option. The important thing is to do what you can with what you have and make sure you are doing it right. Bleib ubrig.
Good advice and perspective
Read it, sadly JC tends to lump all Militia groups under the same umbrella. Generalizations based on limited contacts are usually a bad thing. But on the bright side he is correct in some areas, about 70% of groups I am in contact with are little better than FB knitting circles, or weekend gun clubs.
He has been exposed to some crappy units, even trained some. And this has colored his commentary on us.
The reason we keep public profiles is simple, if people can’t find us they can’t join us. Secret groups also tend to draw suspicion and attention from the wrong types. We have worked along side the NG during flood clean up in our state. We meet the public at gun shows to dispel years of negative propaganda against us by the Federal Gov and media. We are part of our community and enjoy local support of the Public, local peace officers and public servants.
Anything we post online is for PR purposes (sort of like this blog for JC).
A Militia should be viewed as similar to a volunteer fire Dept. We are NOT soldiers, we are NOT cops, we are NOT first responders. We are protectors of our families, neighborhoods and communities. We are LAST responders, when other institutions fail. We tend to be conservative and constitutionalists. (I know “old dead document”, anyway…) We train as much on survival skills as we do on tactical skillsets. We do not recruit a man, we recruit families. Our members are self-sustaining for the long term.
On the Oath issue and Dick Act question, the answer is simple, when Politicians violate their Oath of Office with every breath they take, we owe them NOTHING. Not allegiance, not submission, not loyalty. When they earn that trust back, they can claim Authority over us. Until then, we (And YOU) are on our own. We are NOT living under the rule of Law in our present political climate.
I contacted him (JC) last week and invited him to speak at a multi-state Militia FTX that is coming up in June. We expect a dozen units to attend from five states. We do not hide, we are public entities. (So is JC). I value his experience and his opinion, along with Max, Mosby and Pinelander, but this negativity is an ongoing problem. If you are going to dress down the “Militia” in general, include some positive feedback for units that are trying to get it right. We are NOT all the same.
I invite any of the commenters to come to our AO, and spend a day with us. (I will even pay for gas and lodging) Help us be better, show us where we can improve. But to criticize with generalizations solves nothing. I have met JC on more than one occasion and shaken his hand. I have met his lovely gal. ( Hey Vix) I respect him. Problem is, nothing here indicates that is reciprocated.
I have trained for over a dozen years in the Militia. Our second CO was an ODA 5th group, 18E. Our current CO is a vet, (82nd, Para). I trained with Max a few years ago, too. I do NOT think I am qualified to claim ANY skill equivalent to a professional, but I do the best I can with what we have. We are a volunteer unit, members are free to leave at any time. We get no pay or perks. We are truly the red-headed step-children of the Liberty Movement.
I know this post will start a shit storm, and fully expect the hate to be unleashed upon my head. That’s fine, I do not judge my peoples worth based on internet postings by folks who will never meet us or end up in our AO if shtf. The “Professionals” look down on us and criticize, the non-mil “Liberty” people exclude us and fear us. I guess that is the way of things, but rest assured We ARE Home, and plan to stay here, THAT is our primary function.
For those interested, our unit’s blog is linked in my sig, our email address is there also. Please feel free to offer constructive criticisms after you review our info IN DETAIL. (please take the time to get to know us before correcting us, Thanks)
Montani Semper Liberi
“sadly JC tends to lump all Militia groups under the same umbrella. Generalizations based on limited contacts are usually a bad thing.”
I was unaware that I was generalizing, I thought I was very specific (without naming names, even though I could).
“He has been exposed to some crappy units, even trained some.”
And I’ve trained some unadvertised good ones as well. Just because I don’t put it on the blog, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
“The reason we keep public profiles is simple, if people can’t find us they can’t join us.”
That’s a cop out. You guys go to extreme lengths to talk like you are concerned about things like OpSec (you have an “S-2”, right?), but it is a joke if you’re on the internet with it. You recruit through meat space. You are the group for your area, so why does the recruiting need to extend beyond your area. They won’t be available when they are needed because they are not in your community.
“Secret groups also tend to draw suspicion and attention from the wrong types.”
And I have found out of late that all your FB and internet groups draw even more attention. The nail that sticks up…..
“I contacted him (JC) last week and invited him to speak at a multi-state Militia FTX that is coming up in June. We expect a dozen units to attend from five states.”
And this is what I’m talking about. None of you can keep your mouths shut or for one minute consider not broadcasting the plans of everything far and wide.
“We do not hide, we are public entities (So is JC)..”
First, no matter how “public” you think you are, you are still a private entity simply because you, and not the public decides “why”, “what”, “when”, and “for whom” you will be doing anything, correct? I sure as Hell am not a “public entity”. I’ve given plenty of free advice on the blog and that is it.
“I value his experience and his opinion, along with Max, Mosby and Pinelander, but this negativity is an ongoing problem.”
Just because it’s negative, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Do you think this is some fun fest I’m having here, taking my free time to point out these issues. Since you pointed out your private invitation to me, I will point out that in it you said you wanted those invited to give “constructive criticism” to those present, did you not? . Is what I wrote not constructive criticism?
“If you are going to dress down the ‘Militia’ in general, include some positive feedback for units that are trying to get it right. We are NOT all the same.”
I didn’t dress down the militias in general, only those that want to broadcast all their “goings on” on the internet.
“But to criticize with generalizations solves nothing.”
I bet guys would love me pointing out specifically “who” and “what” is wrong. I use generalizations so you can read it, think about it, and apply it if needed. If it doesn’t apply to you, drive on!
” I have met JC on more than one occasion and shaken his hand. I have met his lovely gal. ( Hey Vix) I respect him. Problem is, nothing here indicates that is reciprocated.”
I didn’t realize I mentioned one thing about you or your group. Am I wrong? Or are you saying something I said applies to you?
“I know this post will start a shit storm, and fully expect the hate to be unleashed upon my head.”
From who? Me? Not so much.
“The “Professionals” look down on us and criticize, the non-mil “Liberty” people exclude us and fear us.”
We don’t look down on you, plenty of us have tried to help many of you, and at our own expense. We are just intolerant of poseurs, wanna be’s and those who are more concerned with being perceived as “Mil”, when they obviously are not.
You don’t like the fact that I generalize, but as I’ve said earlier, if I got specific, the butthurt would be nuclear (then you’d say I shouldn’t judge you). Again, if what I said applies to you, think about it, change if you want to, or continue on your path. It’s your survival, not mine.
Couple of other points after reading some commentary.
Rank- While historically and Traditionally Militia units used Mil. rank (why reinvent the wheel?) I do agree with JC that this has become a point of contention with prior service professionals. Leading to ego problems and talk of “Stolen Valor”. I have met a “General” who commanded a 4 man unit, and “Colonels” who command a hundred. I plan on introducing new bylaws for our unit that does away with Rankings. It is an easy fix, if a unit is serious about earning respect.
(This was one of the topics I wanted JC to address at the FTX)
Infiltration- Another biggie. If you are on this blog (or any other Liberty/Mil blog) your information is already compromised. Presume and operate as if all communications are monitored. This forces most of us to use face to face comms, and practice old school tradecraft for sensitive info (persec, opsec, capabilities etc) If you live in fear, the commies have already won. Fuck them, we do not hide.
Ruby Ridge/ Waco/ Swatting- I will try to address this rationally, tho it is a sore point with me.
If they want you bad enough they will get you. Yes, that is true. But in order to eliminate our unit (the “Authorities” have no reason to do so, currently), they would need to deploy 33 swat teams simultaneously, with armored and air support across dozens of locations in our state. All while not alerting locals. Hellfires aside, this is just not possible. Don’t give them a reason (other than loving freedom) to kill you.
Young guys who did not serve- This one is problematic. To call folks names because they have not served is pointless (hearts and minds anyone?) I understand this article was not written for helping the “Moolisha”, in any way. It seems to be addressed to a specific anti-militia group of prior service members. Some of our most talented shooters are young guys, raising families, working at dads garage or a local mine. They just did not join, not for any lack of ability or patriotism, simply because life goes different directions for different folks. To call them all out as posers, just because they wish to learn basic skills to protect their family and neighborhood in an emergency is shortsighted in my opinion. These are the same young guys who would be looking to people like Max, and JC, and Mosby for leadership in a crisis and they just got spat upon.
Secret vs.Public Militias- A Militia that does not have the support of it’s local community is not a Militia. It is “Joe’s Armed gang of Patriots”, or “Kernal Klink’s personal army”. You cannot gain community support unless you are PUBLIC, above reproach and live exemplary lives in the community context. Don’t be criminals, don’t be bad neighbors. No you don’t need to publish your cache and retreat locations online, no you don’t need to discuss armaments and target lists online, no you don’t need to do media interviews. But you cannot be secret and call yourselves a Militia.
“Rank- While historically and Traditionally Militia units used Mil. rank (why reinvent the wheel?) I do agree with JC that this has become a point of contention with prior service professionals. Leading to ego problems and talk of “Stolen Valor”. I have met a “General” who commanded a 4 man unit, and “Colonels” who command a hundred. I plan on introducing new bylaws for our unit that does away with Rankings. It is an easy fix, if a unit is serious about earning respect.”
True
“Infiltration- Another biggie. If you are on this blog (or any other Liberty/Mil blog) your information is already compromised. Presume and operate as if all communications are monitored. This forces most of us to use face to face comms, and practice old school tradecraft for sensitive info (persec, opsec, capabilities etc)”
Thus, one of the many reasons I’ve told people that I would not get involved in their militia groups organizational structure. I am a trainer, that’s it.
“If you live in fear, the commies have already won. Fuck them, we do not hide.”
Fear and caution are similar, but not the same. I am reminded of a verse, “A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.”
“Ruby Ridge/ Waco/ Swatting- I will try to address this rationally, tho it is a sore point with me.
If they want you bad enough they will get you. Yes, that is true. But in order to eliminate our unit (the “Authorities” have no reason to do so, currently), they would need to deploy 33 swat teams simultaneously, with armored and air support across dozens of locations in our state. All while not alerting locals. Hellfires aside, this is just not possible. Don’t give them a reason (other than loving freedom) to kill you.”
Thanks for making my point about OpSec, or a lack thereof.
“Young guys who did not serve- This one is problematic. To call folks names because they have not served is pointless”
No one called anyone names because they didn’t serve. If my description of these guys is inaccurate (They could have gone in the mil, but they decided to stay home and “play” mil instead, by all means, show me how.
” I understand this article was not written for helping the “Moolisha”, in any way. It seems to be addressed to a specific anti-militia group of prior service members.”
Obviously, your reading comprehension is overly subjective, and your comments reflect that subjectivity.
“Some of our most talented shooters are young guys, raising families, working at dads garage or a local mine. They just did not join, not for any lack of ability or patriotism, simply because life goes different directions for different folks. To call them all out as posers, just because they wish to learn basic skills to protect their family and neighborhood in an emergency is shortsighted in my opinion.”
So let me get this right. Guys who are of normal mil age decide they don’t want the inconvenience of having to go to training, or maybe even war, still want to buy and wear all the gear associated with being in the mil, train as if they’re in the mil, and be part of an organization that thinks its mil. (we’re not talking about Survivalists, but militia members) but they’re not poseurs? Did I get that right?
“Secret vs.Public Militias- A Militia that does not have the support of it’s local community is not a Militia. It is ‘Joe’s Armed gang of Patriots’, or ‘Kernal Klink’s personal army’.”
You left one thing out, “support” yes, but also “authority”, and none of you have that. If you did, that would mean you would have to subject yourselves to the authority of the Governor and the President, and I can imagine how much you’d have loved that under obama.
“No you don’t need to publish your cache and retreat locations online, no you don’t need to discuss armaments and target lists online, no you don’t need to do media interviews. But you cannot be secret and call yourselves a Militia.”
Unfortunately, a number of the “Moolisha” units and personnel out there have done exactly those things while trying to impress people, haven’t they?
“…they would need to deploy 33 swat teams simultaneously, with armored and air support across dozens of locations in our state…”
(scratching beard…) So, here is Barry sitting at the Counterinsurgency desk of J3 Current Operations turning the pages of “The File” on your group. What to do… Well, first get 33 warrants for sedition (easy enough); then task the several local PDs/SOs to arrest all 33 — preferably at work — but in any case when they are going about their early morning affairs. Within 24 hours everybody will have ratted each other out. Then release them (that’s the wicked part).
Next group…
S//
SFC Barry,
With all due respect sir, you don’t know our local AO. I know a bit of your history (Resister, your persecution by the Big Green, your warnings and lectures all across the resistance sphere. etc) and can respect your operational experience. But seriously, warrants for “Sedition”? No Judge, not even a commie one would try that today. Did they charge you with “Sedition” way back? It is almost always: “Conspiracy with intent..”, “Constructive Possession” or RICO warrants nowadays.
And in your scenario what happens when two city cops and three county sheriffs notify us in advance of planned raids? What happens when a nephew (theoretical) with the local NG air wing reports the fed planes and equipment coming in? What happens if the State swat unit (who hypothetically, have family in our support network) refuse to serve the warrants and are backed up by local Judge and Magistrate? Again Sir no disrespect, but you do not know us or our situation.
Why does the hound not eat the porcupine? Not because he can’t, but because the price will be to high.
When there are warrants for sedition (the day is coming and they’ll be a formality really) the judges won’t have choices and it will be an easy thing to trace leaks. [Id est: “#32 evaded arrest;” who knew about the warrant for #32 (?); “X, Y, and Z;” arrest them.] Get it?
Your situation may be fine today. You’ll be a standing target when they stop thinking you’re harmless.
There were some porcupines at Bunker. Now they are in jail.
S//
Thanks for the reply.
Quick honest question…
Do you consider folks like yourself, JC, Pinelander and Mosby etc. to be standing targets, pop-up targets or moving targets in the type of Totalitarian/Socialist genocide that we are discussing?
After all if you are sitting in JTTF fusion center compiling target lists, whom would you consider more of a threat? Groups like ours (local, light arms), or hard core, seriously trained up, prior service professionals who “could” do serious damage and lead/train serious resistance? And, given that these professionals have posted and made clear their anti-statist intentions?
Maybe JC and other professional commenters could weigh in also? I really want to know where they see themselves going if the hammer falls, or if they think they will be immune from targeting/prosecution?
@Sandman below. Sorry, had to reply to myself because the reply button to Sandman’s question is absent. (Again !…)
Fair enough.
They absolutely do know who the high threats are, and nobody among the Old SF crew are deluded otherwise. In fact in the mid-1990s they got DNA swabs from everybody in SF. And our complete records are only a mouse click away, and our addresses are recorded at DFAS and the VA.
Really, for us it’s not a question of standing, pop-up, or moving target. Targets are what they are. Rather, it’s a question of “do we see it coming.” Everybody I know has a safe house someplace. But by-stepping that, what we don’t do is paint bulls-eyes on ourselves. We talk among ourselves about what is coming but we don’t shake our muskets or roar about oppression or otherwise make menacing noises about loss of “rights.” We just make note of the way things really are and plan accordingly.
To be brutally honest, your “groups like ours’ (as you put it) are not a threat. They are invitingly soft targets. We Old SF types will be out of formation when they are of no further propaganda value and get stepped on.
How would Barry on the Counter Insurgency desk at J3 Current Operations deal with people like Barry? Recall them to active duty. (Which is as equally wicked as releasing arrested “militia” types.)
S//
Reblogged this on FOR GOD AND COUNTRY.
I am not .mil. I was fired up, ready to join my senior year when Iran took hostages, but two members of my church, a WWII Africa theater vet and a Vietnam vet, took me aside and asked one favor. If I did that one thing, they would never ask anything of me again. I was to read a book they handed to me. “War is Racket”, by Major General Smedley Butler.,
I am not .mil because someone loved me enough to point me in the direction of the truth.
Mock us non-mil types as much as you like. But just bear in mind that most of the worst we will face in the .gov legion are, like you, .mil.
Yes, I agree that if you are carrying around a couple stone extra flab, camo might not be your best option. But FLIR has been around for about half a century, and there’s lots better that’s come along since. Without numbers pushing in your direction, regardless of their quality, you and your .mil buddies are sitting ducks for Hellfires, PGMs, etc. Regardless of your skills.
Yeah, read the same book, what does that have to do with guys playing soldier these days on Social Media, but never actually doing it for real. Were you one of those guys back then? You could have gone in the National Guard at that time (yeah, I remember the Iran incident), been able to help your state (the NG was more of an emergency relief org at that time), and been relatively safe doing it, right? Sitting ducks for who? You and your buddies? I doubt it.
“…most of the worst we will face in the .gov legion are, like you, .mil….”
Simply astonishing rashness and shameless insolence. Militia types can’t muster anything better than small arms. When crew served weapons, arty, ATGMs, PGMs, etc. are used it will be the militia types who are on the wrong end.
Might want to think about that before you jump off all bad.
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Incidentally, I apply a different standard.
If one joined the military/NG prior to 9/11/2001, OK. Maybe he could be forgiven for not understanding that the active .mil were fighting for international banksters and, of course, the NG actually did come to the aid of locals in cases of floods and tornados and the like.
If one joined for about a year or so after 9/11/2001, I’ll cut you some slack. I was young and stupid at one point, too. So long as you got over it, I’ll excuse emotionalism over rationalism.
If one joined after Shock and Awe, I question his ability to understand the world around him.
And if one joined after about 2005, when even GWB acknowledged that there were no WMD, and the wars were fought under false pretenses, he was either stupid, willfullly ignorant, or playing for the wrong team.
You don’t get a do-over, but you can make up for it. Some never forgive themselves for being deceived and suck-start their sidearms. Too bad these are exactly the people of conscience we need…
“Could be forgiven”, “Cut you some slack”, “I’ll excuse emotionalism over rationalism”, “I question his ability to understand the world around him.”, “he was either stupid, willfully ignorant, or playing for the wrong team.”, You don’t get a do-over, but you can make up for it.”.
FUCK YOU Jerde, you don’t have the standing for any soldier who served give two shits about your opinion. As to this comment, “Some never forgive themselves for being deceived and suck-start their sidearms.” That’s BS, maybe the more accurate statement is that they know the unappreciative assholes out there like you will always want to have their cake and eat a dick too. You are done here! Now go back to your bag of doritos and orange dick.
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable bastard and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
– Attributed to John Stuart Mill
Just sayin’….
Well said Brother.
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I wonder how many of those you described would actually stop to assist one of their fellow “members” in changing a flat tire on the way home from “training”….
Yeah, really. Good point.
Honestly in our Group, not ONE would pass up a brother stuck on the side of the road. But we a very close knit group. Mostly friends, co-workers and family. We may be an exception.
Wait, I thought all us “Patriots” didn’t like the goobermint and their hired gun thugs?
So the military is “always” a good thing as run by the goobermint or is everyone a puss that hasn’t done the same things you have done?
I’ve been there/dundat and methinks you are way over generalizing (not talking about your class samples; im sure you know them way better than anyone else……but what does that say about your enrollees?). Lotta room for thought on all this.
This goobermint (as you phrase it) are representatives of The People. What does this gooberment tell us about The People? Then of course The People bitch and howl about their representatives. What does that say about The People? And the “hired gun thugs” are recruited from The People
Where have you been? What have you done?
You picked a poor anonymity. Winston Smith ended up believing that 2+2=5.
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