From WRSA: A Reminder

A thought from someone that would know.

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Frank Pinelander Sends

NGS3475 172A

Since the Amateurs and Children like to cite the conflict in Vietnam as their basis for rising up in a glorious People’s Revolution, here’s some interesting pictures from the other side.

Nothing major, except to those that understand history.

What did the North have?

Outside nation-state support. SIGNIFICANT outside nation-state support.
Discipline. RIGID discipline.
Training. Lots of training.
Command structure. RIGID command structure.
OPSEC.
Camaraderie.
A specific and defined mission.
Significant personal sacrifice.

NONE of which exists currently in the IIIper/Prepper/SHTFer crowd.

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Here was my comment about Frank’s thoughts,

Mason Dixon Tactical

“Keep it local. Keep it sane. Keep it military. Keep it disciplined.” SMB
This is the only way you come close to realistically accomplishing those things. Just “Local” (as opposed to regional, state, or national ) allows this to occur.
Outside nation-state support- Who would that be? LOL
Discipline- Embarrassment at minimum, banishment at max to enforce rules and regs of conduct and standards.
Training- Close proximity creates an easier environment to train in, especially when you are training to protect loved ones and locals only.
Command structure- Being led by a “Local” that you respect, as opposed to some “Kernal” on the other side of the state or country that is a “Legend in his own mind”, and loves to put out “directives”.
OPSEC- The more people you don’t know that know the info, the less secure the info.
Camaraderie- Obviously, local makes this easier
A specific and defined mission- Protecting your community
Significant personal sacrifice- Something you don’t mind doing for those you know, and that you know would do the same for you.
There’s a reason we use the AFOC “NPT” model. It’s perfect for local organization, it applies the limited military style organization and techniques needed for mission accomplishment (safety of your neighborhood), without the extraneous mil minutia crap that people get wrapped up in when trying to duplicate the military in a civilian setting and not understanding the requirements needed to make it function correctly.”

Here’s a comment from tfA-t, and my follow on reply,

FP is right on all counts. I also believe if former .mils really wanted to, they could come together very quickly and re-constitute combat and support units. Civilians will have their place, but don’t rely on them to lead from the front. I said it several years ago over at Mosbys place – it’s gonna be up to the Veterans to get this show on the road. That’s why the demonization and marginalizing of veterans has been going on for some years now. If it is to happen, it will be easier to do before they shut down the internet.

  • “I also believe if former .mils really wanted to, they could come together very quickly and re-constitute combat and support units. Civilians will have their place, but don’t rely on them to lead from the front.” Well said. There will be civilians that will prove themselves through their dedication and actions, and be promoted and given more responsibility accordingly. The problem that I see with a lot of them is the “You can’t tell me what to do!” inability to subordinate themselves to people with the experience initially. That being said, some that I have worked with will do very well (from everything that I can evaluate in a civilian setting, short of intense training and/or combat), and will be given the respect they’ve earned and deserve. Even with my experience, there are many men I know that I would gladly subordinate myself to in that situation, but of course they are all prior service.

    Of course there are some that always theorize on what should be done and how to do it, but have no background to back up those theories of the “Here to there” realities (yup, it actually will involve real world actions that they are clueless about). Here’s a comment that one of the typical “Liberty Theory Expert Commenters” made on another post, but the comment was aimed at my above comment and me over on Frank’s post.

    Meanwhile, this is dedicated to JC (Masxon Dixon Tactical) for his comment in response to tfA-t in the “A Reminder: Frank Pinelander Sends” thread

     

    Mason Dixon Tactical You missed the chance over on that thread Klein? By all means, let’s discuss what I said, The quote in the beginning is from TFAT.
    ““I also believe if former .mils really wanted to, they could come together very quickly and re-constitute combat and support units. Civilians will have their place, but don’t rely on them to lead from the front.” Well said. There will be civilians that will prove themselves through their dedication and actions, and be promoted and given more responsibility accordingly. The problem that I see with a lot of them is the “You can’t tell me what to do!” inability to subordinate themselves to people with the experience initially. That being said, some that I have worked with will do very well (from everything that I can evaluate in a civilian setting, short of intense training and/or combat), and will be given the respect they’ve earned and deserve. Even with my experience, there are many men I know that I would gladly subordinate myself to in that situation, but of course they are all prior service.”
    I believe the reason you have a problem with this statement Klein, is because you know you can’t cut it beyond being a “Keyboard Philosopher”, and no one would select you to do anything but stand back, watch, and shut your mouth. “Clueless” is the word, and you are almost at the top of that “list of the tactically ignorant” . But you keep “educating” those that want to hear your theories. In the end, the line from “The Magnificent Seven” is apropos when talking about “Us”. “We deal in lead friend.”, and that will be the final arbiter after all your theories are done their loop in the comments.”

    “Us” versus “Them”, really? Is that how you explain the “Adults” relationship to “Children”? We’re trying to help, and most of the vocal “Children” are throwing childlike tantrums about the tax payers paying for our military “resumes” (of course they weren’t earned, were they?), and telling us how much we “owe” them, and how it’s our fault (the military) for the state of the country, not taking any responsibility themselves as the big time “taxpayer”.

    Get over yourselves. If you’re a Vet, teach those you know and trust the simple shit you had to do at CTT every year (you don’t have to be Infantry to know basic combat skills). If you are a civilian, find a Vet, shut the fuck up, and learn what they know. Get training from the people and/or places you know teach SUT related skillsets. What’s coming doesn’t need people theorizing about their Liberty and freedoms, it needs people that are training and preparing to put what’s needed into practical application when the time is right.

    JCD

    American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE

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3 thoughts on “From WRSA: A Reminder

  1. At the end of the day. We are it.
    No nation state will support team freedom .
    So we need to be logistics, Intel, tradoc,judge jury and executioner.
    We need to unass ourselves and work to provide vision and flesh out that vision with the constitution as the base end goal. We can tune it to our liking after we organize and win.
    Check or hold men?

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