There is a saying by a Scot named Burns (ironic), that says “The best laid plans o’ mice an’ men gang aft agley”. Basically, this means that no matter whether you are a big or a small entity, a well laid plan can get screwed up. From what I’ve seen in the Oregon debacle, there wasn’t even a “well laid plan”, and it more resembled my friends and I as teenagers running around in the woods playing war, thinking we knew all about strategy, operations and tactics, but in reality, being clueless to the realities.
I’ve heard a number of people make statements that concern the “Oregon Standoff” that could best be described kindly as ignorant and naive, and more assertively as “cluelessly stuck on theoretical stupid”. I have been keeping up to speed on what’s going on there through a friend who unfortunately has a buddy in the middle of the situation. Although my knowledge of the situation is in no way “first hand”, I dare say it is light years ahead of the average “commenting knowitall”, and everything I will say here, as to the facts on the ground, is coming from a source I trust and has been involved in this situation, as well as “Sugar Pine Mine” and others.
Considering we have no go to source “On the ground information disseminator” (yeah, what’s up with that? I thought a certain project was specifically geared, equipped, and funded to do exactly that, but after all those expensive donations, it’s nowhere to be seen. Maybe the short bus needed an oil change, huh?), most of you have had to rely on social media or blogs to get info that was even close to being accurate and not “Liberal sided”. On that side of things, I’ve seen this compared to “Shays Rebellion”, and I believe that spin is not only wrong, but is designed to give excuse to the Laws, Regs, and Executive Orders that will follow this situation, no matter how it ends.
Here are some facts. Fact one, Although it’s hard to believe from the execution of the operation, this was in the works for at least a month prior to the protest rally that happened on the 2nd of January. Either there was practically criminal ineptitude by those running it (Yes, “criminal” because this could get people they are directing killed), or it was purposely set up for failure by someone on the inside whose only job is to make a situation that gives The Powers That Be an excuse to drop the hammer.
Fact two, The “Standoffees” had their trailers and equipment staged on or about Thursday evening before the rally on Saturday. “Why is this important?” you ask. Well, considering the Hammonds said “We don’t want that type of response.” I think that is a brazen disregard for the wishes of the people who are at middle of the situation, and the Hammond’s cause is their primary raison d’etre for conducting the standoff to begin with, correct?
The “Standoffees” say they are peaceful and will only use force to defend themselves. My question is this. If the Feds come in and say “Please leave the premises.” and they refuse, what then? If the Feds say “We are now going to escort you out.” and they then use non deadly force to take them out of the building, will the “Standoffees” use their weapons to “defend themselves”against the naked “physical aggression” of the Feds? It has been called a peaceful protest, but the implication of force has been stressed again and again by the group in that building, and calling it a “Peaceful Protest” is extremely naive and shows a severe lack of understanding of the realities of the situation.
“The Delta Option” Some who are ignorant as to the prior uses of Delta/CAG/SMU/SOD-NG in similar situations have scoffed at the idea that they have a contingent on the ground in this situation. To that I say this “Watch this video you knowitall ignoramus!” They’ve done it before, they’ll do it again, quit speaking about that which you have not experienced as an Aware American in the last few decades. Start watching at 58:20 and watch through to 1:02.55. My source said a team was staged (and if we know about it at all, it’s because they wanted us to) and if you don’t believe it is possible, you are not in touch with the reality Americans have lived with for more than two decades. Oh by the way, yeah, that is my long time friend Steve Barry who was being interviewed and put that info out (and had a truck blown up in his driveway for his trouble). Tell me what you people who deride him all the time have done for liberty’s sake other than just talk about your theories.
“The Provocateurs Connection”. About two decades ago I was involved with a group that regularly trained and prepared. A relatively new guy starts saying we should look into modifying our weapons (make them autos), and practice building grenades. My response was “Shut the Hell up, we don’t need those things to be effective, and just talking about it will get people hemmed up.”. I left that group shortly thereafter, mainly because they did not want to address him or his “ideas” with the seriousness that they deserved. Approximately 5 months later I spoke to a friend that was still training with them, and he advised that he got booted for pressing that they do an armed and equipped recon of the local State Police barracks. He had the occasion to speak to a friend in the SP about a month later, and after the Trooper did some low key inquires, it was found out the guy was a Fed Snitch who was working off a charge….imagine that!
I had one individual of late try to get into a class by getting me to break my “You can only take a tactical class if you can legally buy and/or own a firearm.” rule for my students. He even said he’d pay extra for “my trouble”. Uh, no thanks. Can you say set up? From everything I have seen concerning the actions up till now by Ryan Payne, Rumored ExCon Blaine Cooper, and Brian Cavalier (aka Budda) they appear to be trying to provoke an outcome that the people they are with do not understand or are prepared for. Are they Federal Provocateurs? I do not know, but they give off a number of indications that they are, and that info comes from several people that are friends and have dealt with them first hand. To blow off the “Provocateur” angle as being ridiculous, just show once again the ignorance of reality and naivete of those commenting about it. Who knows, maybe those guys are just morons with delusions of grandeur. Here’s a first hand account of the type of person Blaine Cooper is, and how he is treating people that are trying to help.
I believe what the group did was irresponsible, not thought through, and based on a mindset that says “We have to do something” and they did it without thinking of ALL the consequences. Does this make them bad guys? Not at all, at least the ones that had pure intentions and are not just trying to “Get it on!”. Whoever planned out “Operation Football Bat” needs to have his learners permit rescinded. When I saw this video by Ammon Bundy which states”No matter what your leader says, no matter what they are saying, you need to draw your own conclusions”, I started wondering what the Hell he was trying to do. To tell people in militia groups to ignore/disregard the leadership they have put in place and make their own decisions is directly the opposite of what a militia unit is trying to engender. OK Ammon, if someone who has subordinated himself or herself to a leader in a militia group then ignores their guidance/directive when asked to go to Oregon, what kind of a “troop” do you think you’ll get? Probably an emotional, reactive bitch that doesn’t think things through, is the answer.
The operation being conducted was not spur of the moment, it was planned (poorly) out. For whatever reason, they felt this was the only chance they’d have to make a stand, and decided to do it with the excuse being the supporting of men who wanted no part of this type of a response. I commend them for intent, but give them a fail on strategy and execution, simply because this is not how you fight when you have the option to make preparations and picking your ground, especially when you have such small numbers. But on that note, by all means, support them if you can, they are there and have to make the best of it till they realize whatever good they have done is done (bringing the issue front and center in the public eye) and an exit is appropriate before that good is covered up in tragedy.
This event has given the administration a panoply of directions they can go, and actions they can take that effect all of us. First, Obama has a chance to “Get tough on Domestic Terrorism”, and the recipients won’t be muslim. He will have fun going through the Law/Executive Order/Regulation play house thingy deciding what “Assault Rifles and pistols” he will put front and center to showcase as to why they should be banned (Domestic Terrorist used them dontcha know). He will have an excuse to label any group that calls itself a “militia” or “Patriot” as domestic terrorists, and the American public WILL FALL FOR IT! Simply because they watched a “Made for TV youtube/Fauxnews video” showing them the evils of “Moolitias”. As long as the public can watch it on their computer or smartphone, they will “get smart” on the “issues”.
For those reasons I say “Thanks guys, group punishment was always fun, but someone really needs to give them a blanket party for “Having a jelly donut in their foot locker”, right? In the end, yes they were dumbasses, but a dumbass with pure intent is still a good guy and they need to know that we believe that. Here’s a question you should answer. If you were in a bar and your buddy started some shit with some guys would you support him and get you ass kicked with him if it came to that? I know I would and I have. If you saw a guy you do not know across the bar start a fight with a guy who was hitting on his girlfriend, but it wasn’t to the point of the asshole touching her, would you go help him out? Probably not, even though you support and understand what he’s doing. Below is some light reading you might want to do to put their choices in a realistic perspective.
The Green Mountain Boys
The Green Mountain boys were a small group of militia formed by Ethan Allen in 1770. They began by fighting off people who wanted to steal their land and crops, but when circumstances changed, they found themselves involved in the war against England. These soldiers ended up playing an important role in the Revolutionary War, though they never really considered themselves part of the war.
During the Revolutionary War, there was no overall ruler, and as a result, people in power, such as governors or sheriffs, would just take people’s land. Many colonists were victims of this kind of behavior.
After a certain amount of this, a man by the name of Ethan Allen decided he had had enough. So he rounded up whichever of his friends he could find, and they decided to protect what was theirs.
On one occasion, a New York sheriff came down to New Hampshire where Allen’s boys were, and tried to take the “Grants” farm. However, he was stopped by this band of farmers and militia.
When the sheriff went back to New York and told his story, it was put in the papers. This started a buzz everywhere in both of the involved colonies. In New York they were called “The Bennington Mob,” and people said they were rioters who needed to be stopped. In New Hampshire, however, they were emulated by many other groups.
Soon, all over New Hampshire, there were groups of Ethan Allen’s boys protecting what was theirs. They started by naming themselves the “New Hampshire Men,” but soon in one of the papers they were refferred to as the “Green Mountain Boys,” and that name stuck. This all happened between 1770 and 1772.
The Green Mountain boys did not consider themselves part of the Revolutionary War at this point.
When they continually chased New York authorities out, the governor of New York got tired of it. He said they were criminals and offered a reward for them to be caught. When they were brought to him, he put them on trial and was going to put them to death. But during the trial, Ethan Allen announced that they were fighting for their “liberty, property, and life!” This declaration linked them to the Revolutionary War, and the New York officials had no choice but to let them live.
Here’s my bottom line
THERE WILL BE NO MORE FREE WACOS!
I’m not foolish enough to try and impress you with what I would or would not do, or what I know others would do, but the thing is this. Those guys need to be given due process, and have their day in court if it comes to charges. They will not be slaughtered by the Feds without reaping the whirlwind, No matter how stupid this was, I do not believe the majority there did it with any malicious intent, and should be treated as such.The Feds up till now have showed restraint and I hope they continue along that line. By the way, have you signed the petition to release the Hammonds, I have, it’s the least we can do in this situation.
American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE